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  1. rinzlerdotexe

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    2011 Ford Truck F 150 2WD V6-3.5L Turbo
    • Primary Timing Chain Wear
    TSB 14-0194

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    2011-2014 F-150

    ISSUE
    Some 2011-2014 F-150 vehicles equipped with a 3.5L Gasoline Turbocharged Direct Injection (GTDI) engine and built on or before 10/10/2014 may exhibit a malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) illuminated with diagnostic trouble code (DTC) P0016. Other DTCs and driveability concerns may also be present. This concern may be due to a worn primary timing chain.

    ACTION
    Follow the Service Procedure steps to correct the condition.

    SERVICE PROCEDURE

    1. Is the vehicle build date on or before 10/10/2014?
    a. Yes - proceed to Step 2.
    b. No - this procedure does not apply. Refer to Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual for normal diagnosis.

    2. Using Integrated Diagnostic System (IDS), with key on and engine running (KOER), select the VCT_INT_ACT1 Parameter Identification Data (PID) in the Datalogger.
    a. If VCT_INT_ACT1 PID reads +6 degrees or greater, proceed to Step 3.
    b. If VCT_INT_ACT1 PID reads +5 degrees or less - this procedure does not apply. Refer to Powertrain Control/Emissions Diagnosis (PC/ED) manual for normal diagnostics.

    3. Replace the primary timing chain. Refer to Workshop Manual (WSM), Section 303-01.

    PART NUMBER/PART NAME

    AT4Z-6268-C Primary Timing Chain
    AA5Z-9439-A Intake Gasket
    BL3Z-6584-A Cam Cover Gasket - Left Hand
    BR3Z-6584-B Cam Cover Gasket - Right Hand (2011-2012)
    DL3Z-6584-B Cam Cover Gasket- Right Hand (2013-2014)
    BL3Z-9E583-B High Pressure Pump O-ring
    BR3Z-8507-C Pump Gasket
    BR3Z-8527-A Pump O-ring
    7T4Z-8590-A Coolant Inlet Seal
    XW4Z-6700-AA Crankshaft Seal
    BR3Z-6020-A Front Cover Radial Seal
    F5RZ-6A340-B Damper Bolt
    TA-357 Motorcraft® High Performance Engine RTV Silicone
    VC-30-A Motorcraft® Silicone Gasket Remover
    VC-31-B Motorcraft® Metal Surface Prep Wipes
    VC-3-B Motorcraft® Orange Antifreeze/Coolant Concentrated
    XO-5W30-QFS Motorcraft® SAE 5W-30 Full Synthetic Motor Oil
    TA-25-B Motorcraft® Threadlock and Sealer
    TA-24-B Motorcraft® Thread Sealant with PTFE
     
  2. TwoTone

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    I've heard this could be related to the wastegate cycling issue. I just had this one tested today to see if it was the cause of my pew pew issue. We didn't see above .5 so my search continues.
     
  3. Joshschmidt

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    Sounds like a lengthy repair....
     
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    I don't know about these, but the old 4.0 V6 engine was a real pain.
     
  5. Zach Diver

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    How common is this? I do have a friend that has had to have this done on his. Looking at getting an ecoboost and wondering what overal reliability looks like. He has not had good luck
     
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    Very common on anything 11 - 12, not so much on 13+. I would suggest getting an ESP with your purchase but not from the dealer you buy the truck / car from. That said, I've had my work done just a week ago.
     
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    btw, I noticed that the listed TSB is old for anyone wondering what is the latest one, I thought I should mention its 17-0026... released like March 2017. If you have a rattle I would ask the dealer to do both TSBs under warranty; 17-0026 + 16-0027
     
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    I have a 13 build date late October that experiences the sound deceived above. what did you find out?
     
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    My dealer says this TSB doesn't exist?


     
  10. Shawn

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    New to Ford here. Old car was a Mazda 3 and I just purchased a 2013 F150 Lariat V6 Ecoboost 3.5 L with 35k mikes on it. I’ve has the truck for roughly a month and a half until one morning I turned the truck on and heard the same rattling noise for 2 seconds after a cold start. I brought it today and it turns out four variable camshaft timing (VCT) unite and primary timing chain needs to be replaced. You probably can imagine how happy I am at this point. Luckily everything is replaced under the Powertrain warranty. I’m just really concerned going forward with this truck. The fact that this truck only has 35k miles on it and it needs 9+ hours of labor done to it. Should I be worried going forward? They are not replacing the water pump either because it’s not the issue. What causes this issue in the first place? Thanks for the help!
     
  11. Al Rotz

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    Got a 2012 ecoboost. Had a gas pedal sensor replaced at 100k cost $300. Them same gutless performance but different error sign at 110k . Dealer says it' stretched timing chain and will cost $2500. No degradation in gas mileae or starting. 10k later I figure my local guy can do the job cheaper. He says the turbo place too much torque on the chain, probably needs every 100k or so.
     
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    Recently purchased 2013 with 62k miles. Only had it a week before receiving cam shaft sensor codes. Dealership took a week to determine the vacuum pump brake booster was the cause (supposedly). 10 min after picking it up it threw another code for the same thing on opposite bank. Took it right back to dealership. Has anyone else had this issue? Could the timing chain be the root cause of timing chain leaky gasket?
     
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    What is the approximate cost for this fix?
     
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    I would like to thank the person who started this forum. I took my truck in on May 16. Just got it back last night. Had to get ugly to get it back because it was warranty work and they were taking their time. It's my only vehicle I have to get to work. I was on vacation and they told me it would be done when I got back. And of course it wasn't. The dealer's are so rude when it comes to warranty work. I don't understand. We have been buying vehicles from this dealer for years. The man over the service department said he didn't care why I was upset and to get out of his office. My truck only has 55,000 miles on it. It had been making this rattle noise for some time. Only when it was cold. I had no clue what it was. I'm just thankful I took it in when I did. My only question is will it happen again? Seems like everyone has left the forum here. By the way my truck is a 2013 F150
     
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    Glad this info turned out to be helpful for you!

    It's not an extremely common thing to have happen, but a lot of variables are in play. I don't think you'll have the same problem again. From here you just want to run 93 or 91 octane, stay on top of oil changes, and keep an eye on spark plugs (always use the stock ford motorcraft spark plugs).




    Sounds like yours had the chain strech and not tensioner failure. The new revision of those parts should keep you from having to deal with that again.



    Awesome!!! Thank you for that info!



    Catbones posted a new TSB. maybe try this one?

    17-0026 + 16-0027
     
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    Just took my 2011 F150 FX4 V6 Ecoboost 3.5L with 74K miles in this morning for P0016 code. The timing chains need replaced. The service manager at the dealership claims they do one of these per week on these trucks. I'm hoping it will be covered under my ESP. I really don't want to fork out $2500 for this.
     
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    I have a 2011 f150 with the ecoboost 170,000miles
    Issues are runs fine and after driving for an unspecified time frame the pedal would become unresponsive, erratic shift and kick into high RPM with little power. Let off the gas and turbos spin off followed by error code P0299 and P0016
    Restart the truck and the issue resolves until the next time.

    Kevin, can you tell me the cost of your repair??
     
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    The discussion here describes the problem I just experienced with a 2011 F-150 3.5L ECOBOOST. Have 215,000 miles on it. I had "the rattle", and had no idea what that was. Now I am getting a miss on accleration and they are seeing the Code P0016. I am not sure I understand the problem, but it sounds like it is well known. I just joined this forum. Is there somewhere I can get a detailed description of this issue and the P0016 Code?

    My independent mechanic say to replace the entire motor and the turbos. Wants over $ 10K to do it. Probably not worth it, but I would appreciate any thoughts from others that have experienced this problem. Would a Ford dealer replace just the timing chain (assuming that is the problem)?

    Thanks,

    TomZ in VA

     
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    I have this exact same problem as you describe it. I get p0016 and another code for to rich bank one. It only takes a few mins of driving to get a CEL. Weirdly enough if you drive in manual mode and switch the gears keeping it one gear higher I wont get a code or loss of power and the code goes away.

    Did you find a solution? I'm still thinking its the chain. Also tovnote I do not get a rattle just the exact same symptoms you describe.
     
  20. Moe

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    Dealer thinks stretched timing chain on my 2014 Explorer Sport; it was running a very rough idle and sometimes stalled at stop. I'll find out tomorrow what parts are replaced and update my post.
     

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