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  1. Cody Catalano

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    Thanks for the add. Hopefully this is a good first post on this forum. I have this posted on two others and just recently discovered this forum so I figured I'd share. Thanks

    Hey guys, I've been working on an intercooler comparison for the 2011-2014's. Can y'all help fill in some of the blanks and/or make any corrections? Thanks

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    Note about BOV's (Blow Off Valves): There are several components to the BOV's on the 13-14 Ecoboosts. There is the BOV solenoid itself, which is attached to a large recirculation canister. The canister has a large pipe flange on it that the recirculation tube attaches to. The tube recirculates the air released from the blow-off valve back into the intake.

    VTA means Vent to Atmosphere. This means that the excess pressurized air, when released from the BOV, will be released to the atmosphere, and not recirculated back into the air intake. By venting to atmosphere, you will gain a louder "PSHHHH" typical blow-off sound. This will also require to either plug off the existing recirculation pipe with a special plug, or the easier and better route would be to completely remove the recirculation pipe, and plug the nipple on the hard plastic intake tube with something like a 1" rubber chair foot and a hose clamp. That is the route I went and the way I suggest. The only configuration I am not 100% sure about is if you decide to re-use the factory BOV with the Full Race IC. I know it reuses the entire BOV and recirculation canister, however I am unsure if the placement of the BOV on the new cold-side charge pipe allows use of the factory recirculation tube, I would assume not.

    Aftermarket mechanical BOV's such as the Turbosmart or Tial Q vent to atmosphere by design, so they would both require blocking off the nipple on the hard intake tube (super easy and cheap). They are both mechanical, however, as opposed to the factory electronic BOV, and will require you to tap into either a port on a throttle body spacer, or a vacuum line for a boost-reference.

    Note about ATP: Turbosmart states their Supersonic BOV will not fit on ATP intercoolers.

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    Factory BOV attached to factory intercooler with canister and recirc tube:
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    Factory recirc tube removed and plugged, with stock BOV "vented to atmosphere":
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    Factory BOV recirculation tube:
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    Intake inlet capped with a 1" to 1 1/8" rubber stopper:
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    On3:

    https://www.on3performance.com/shop/on-3-performance-ford-eco-boost-f-150-intercooler-upgrade/



    CPE:

    https://cp-e.com/shop/product/ford-f-150-ecoboost-fmic-δcore-twin-turbo-3-5l-front-mount-intercooler/







    ATP:

    https://www.atpturbo.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-F150-001&Category_Code=NEW







    Mishimoto:

    https://cdn.mishimoto.com/media/productpdf/MMINT-F150-11_EngineeringReport.pdf







    Wagner:

    https://www.wagner-tuning.com/produ...ehler-kit-ford-f-150-2013-2014-200001041.html







    Vortech:

    https://vortechsuperchargers.com/pr...ackage-ecoboost-mustang?variant=2741881143306







    Full Race:

    https://www.full-race.com/f150-ecoboost-raptor-intercooler-comparison/



    https://www.full-race.com/articles/2011-2014-f150-ecoboost-intercooler-cac-installation/



    https://www.full-race.com/store/eco...oost-freakoboost-intercooler-cac-upgrade-kit/



    AFE:

    https://afepower.com/product-releas...ler-for-2011-2014-ford-f-150-ecoboost-3-5l-v6



    https://afepower.com/afe-power-46-20161-bladerunner-gt-series-intercooler



    AMR:

    https://www.fastlanehouston.com/products/amr-intercooler-kit
     

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    Vortech info added
     
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    Yeah that's some good info there too. Looks like the Wagner drops to $880 in the cart with discount from MPT.

    Not to knock AFE, but that would prob be towards the bottom of my list. My top choices currently are between Full Race, Wagner, and CPE
     
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    Idk if an admin would want to "sticky" this post, as has been done on the other forums as well. Hoping to hear back and get this chart finished up here completely, soon. Can anybody else fill in any blanks?
     
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    AFE finally divulged their dimensions to me. Chart should be complete now, unless anybody can see any mistakes.
     
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    FWIW I ended up getting the CPE intercooler and could not be any happier with it. IAT's are phenomenal, install wasnt bad. Quality is excellent. Price out the door was $669 tax and shipping included with a discount code from CJ Pony Parts. Arrived very fast. The BOV noise is awesome. I was VTA before this, and this IC also has the BOV VTA by mounting it on the side, right at grill height, and it also removes the large recirc/muffler can from the bov. I'll upload a couple pics and a video below:


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    Okay, so I have to add a disclaimer to this thread... I was so impressed with the specs on the CPE intercooler, that I decided to purchase it about a month ago. Shortly after installing, I began having issues with a misfire. Long story short, after many headaches and hours of diagnosing, the solution was much simpler than I thought. The intercooler is so efficient, that water was accumulating in the intercooling at an alarming rate. Once realized, I began draining on a daily basis and I was getting nearly a 1/4 of water combined out of both drain holes PER DAY! I discussed this with CPE directly and they highly recommended purchasing the UPR Mega catch can with the upgraded PCV valves since I was running higher boost with a custom tune. The cost of the catch can was $480 plus.

    For a temporary band-aid, I drilled a 1/16 inch weep hole in both of the 1/8NPT drain plugs just to give me some piece of mind that I wouldn't suck up a gulp of water and hydro-lock my motor.

    Mind you, this was in a very very wet and cold western New York February climate, so that was a big factor, I'm sure. This may not be as much of an issue in hotter and dryer climates. However, with everything in mind, I decided to return the CPE intercooler and purchase a Full Race intercooler. The FR will completely eliminate any worries of condensation buildup by the raised position of the IC and the position of the BOV on the lower charge pipe.

    It's really not that much more money for the Full Race ($1400 including tax and a Tial Q bov) compared to the $688 + $480 for the IC and catch can which adds up to over $1170 before tax, and with the stock bov.

    All in all, I was very impressed with the CPE, and I'm sure it will work amazing for many people, just not for me. I have nothing against CPE, and once again I cant stress enough how impressed I was with the quality of the IC. I just got freaked out by the amount of water I was sucking up and feel lucky it didn't cause me some serious issues.

    And for all you that are gonna say "I told you so" that I should have went with the FR from the start, yes, you were right. I am THAT GUY tho that enjoys trying/testing the less common, or less-well-known parts, from smaller companies, and hoping that they are just a diamond in the rough waiting to be fully discovered.
     
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    Thank you for all the information. You are very lucky that CPE let you return it. Most companies will not take it back once it is installed.
     
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    The distributor I bought it through offers 60-day return policy for any reason. Also, returned it in almost perfect condition.

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    That is actually a very good selling point for CPE. Not a lot of companies will do that.
     
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    Lots of info added
     
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    It would be more for the distributor, CJ Pony Parts, and their return policy, than the manufacturer. After dealing with CJ, although they did eventually refund me, they tried claiming it was full of oil and tried refusing the return. I had thoroughly flushed it and cleaned it prior to returning it, and thankfully took a bunch of pictures of the condition before boxing it up. I sent those pics back to the manager and have not been able to get a response back, although Paypal did decide in my favor and I was reluctantly refunded. Not to mention, it takes just about an act of God to get anyone from CJ on the telephone, and I've gotten wait times of 2+ hours. Ridiculous. I would NOT recommend doing business with them in the future. I definitely will not be.
     

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